warwagon please dont let this sour you because the fact is your intentions were never really communicated and I dont think Nik had the intention of taking advantage of you. He has offered to remove the auction which I believe he will honor his word and do so when he reads your comments.

With all of this said we are all here for the love of the O and although sometimes things get mixed up or assumptions are made, let this be a lesson that if anyone is doing something sweet like warwagon did for us (yes i bought 2 clips myself) make it known that you are doing it not for profit but to spread the love among the other's who love what you love and hurt feeling's will be avoided.

LonG

I agree with Mike and I agree with Longshot.

As cliched as it sounds, lets say there was a misunderstanding, and we've all learned from it.

I think longshot is right. Nik didn't have any intention of hurting anyone's feelings or trying to get over on anyone. If he knew that feelings would be hurt or thought that anyone would see this as unfair I really do believe that he wouldn't have done this. I also believe that he will end the auction once he hears how you feel warwagon.

Think about it, Nik loves the review just like the rest of us. He seems very appreciative of it and loves being a part of it. Why would he do something on purpose to tarnish his name and association with the review?

Just my thoughts for what they're worth.

Agreed Ford - A lesson learnt! Lets all move on and not let this become more than it is!

Yes I could have put more clarification in my original offer, we live we learn.

1. a while ago when i was a new member, i was trying to buy a display case and someone offered it for 500 dollars but did not put it in the for sale section. i posted adn you said you would do 1,000 dollars...that would have been a full 500 dollars proit for you. that is fine but don't tell me that you were giving me a "great offer" as a friend.

Arizona, I don't want a long drawn out explanation but I just don't get how the hell Nik ripped you off in your first point? Was Nik selling the case for $500 and jacked it up to $1000 all of a sudden, was it just his suggested selling price in one of your "What is this worth" threads or did he just simpply offer a higher bid than you had?

If no money exchanged hands or if no money was even supposed to exchange hands he didn't rip you off.

It's this exact type of situation for which laws are written.
1. Something unprecedented happens.
2. The disagreeing parties work out a common solution.
3. Rules are established about how we'll handle the same types of situations going forward.
The one thing I admire most about this site is our ability to get along like a big circle (or perhaps a streched oval) of friends. No one got hurt in the transaction so let's just chalk it up as a learning experience. I'm certain that everyone here is smart enough to benifit from this.

Most certainly everything here becomes a learning experience as we grow and move along. But in the end Nik didn't rip you off, Arizona. If he bought the case and resold it to you, in your eyes he might have, but he was just selling it for what he thought one was worth. Some of us suggested $500, because those of us wouldn't spend that much more, but others will go as high as Nik offered and if you were willing to pay, then that's what you think one is worth too.

As is with the history of anything anytime, it starts off small, and every gets along. It get bigger, becomes the Wild West, and then eventually things solidify into a coherent structure. I've really had no formal rules up until this point, and I guess since we have a formal domain name, and are getting more people, I/we/you all should start structuring the site a bit so we are all on the same page. No faults to anyone here, let's just make this a place everyone wants to go to. I'm not pretending we're all going to live in the wonderful land of make believe, because that's not realistic, but we can all be adults and work together not apart.

Wow has this blown up. Here's the last thing I'll offer on this subject. Here's the first part of Mike's original For Sale post:



Ok Guys I have a very special offer for all the members. I have available for purchase 6 pairs of TUXEDO GOLF SHOES and 36 TITANIUM Money Clips. All items are Brand new and in their original boxes.
These are the sizes available in BLACK : US SIZING
8
8.5
9.5
10
10.5
In BURGANDY
11

I'am selling these at $320US each + posatge.
This is the lowest I can sell these as I Am offering these on behalf of a friend. They will be listed on ebay shortly as well, but wanted to offer them here first.

As for the Titanium Money Clips they are $25US each + postage and i have 36 of these. ( same reasons as above ) NOTE: These are no longer available on the website.



Now to buy two of these clips with the sole intention of turning around and selling them for more than twice you paid? You draw your own conclusions. Sure, the auctions will be pulled, but the damage has been done. Like Mike said, next time he has something cool to offer, I doubt he'll rush here to put it up.

Zona-
Don't start talking about integrity and airing all your dirty laundry...the same reprocussion could happen to you..think about it dude.

Arizona why do you post messages then delete them right away?????

Perplexing.

Very perplexing.

Perplexing... that's a very kind way to say it.

Wow,this thread has turned into an avalanche!!!!!
Arizona where are all your threads?
I could of swore you had posted about 6 when I last looked,and now theres none.
Its a very selfish thing to do, because it just makes it impossible for everybody else to follow the thread.
If you say something wrong,or say something that you dont mean,then just post an apology.
People will think better of you for it my friend.

huh? 6 posts? what? where? i didn't had the chance to read arizona's posts..

anyways, it's interesting to read the thoughts you people posted. my suggestion is this, if there's a next time when a member offered something here to help other members for the love of O, and aside from the fact we all agree upon that we do not turn and take 'profit' or rip our own friend here who hooked us up, maybe the purchase should be limited to one item per member only.

well? having 2 items of the same kind is somewhat tempting to sell one of it. :D

Not for me I love my money clip so much I wanted spares so when they are long gone and mine breaks I have 2 in reserve!!

I already had one in reserve which was the entire money clip\wallet but since I got 2 from warwagon I decided to sell the entire wallet\clip combo on eBay. So I have 3 count them 3 money clips!!! muhaha!

BTW: thanks warwagon for the hookup!

I agree with what a lot of what you guys have been saying (longshot, Yelkao etc) and was trying to address this
in this thread.

http://www.o-review.com/forum_detail.asp?ID=2038

I think it sucks that warwagon feels like he was taken for a ride, especially seeing as he was kind enough to come to us in the first place allthough I would agree with longshot that it wasnt overly clear that Warwagon was going to be out of pocket. From what I read he wanted rid of them for a friend who needed to liquidate some stock. We now know that wasnt exactly the case.

It might be good to have a distinction between different transactions on the O-review to avoid any confusion.

For example:

Straight business transactions where it doesnt matter what happens after it has taken place.

Internal transactions where a member is doing another member a favour and may find it distasteful if the recipient uses the generosity of a member to make a swift buck.

No need to restructure the sight as I suggested in the above linked thread, just put "straight" or "internal"
on the thread you are using to notify us of the auction.

I only started voicing my opinion on this when it appeared others were stirring it a bit. I would hope that no permanent damage has been done by what is essentially a minor breakdown in communications with an offer being made to the aggrieved party to take down the auction.

Hope we can get this sorted out.

OTT

i dont need to post apologies...you guys all know where i stand. if warwagon was so kind, nik took advantage of him. and he tried to sell that money clip to me not for a "good deal."
well, have a good night.

I don't think we need to worry about whether a transaction is "straight" or "interanl/personal" when we post an item. It should more so be an understanding between the two members when the deal is struck. If you think you're helping a member out by doing them a favor or helping them find a specific item, they should have the respect to not resell the item. If it's a mass grouping of items and the seller is just selling to sell, then it shouldn't matter as much what happens to the items afterwards. There will be those grey line cases though when the item is random and prices are purposely lowered to help out the collectors who may be interested in something they hadn't known about until they saw it here instead of searching out an item on ebay, etc. In such cases you just need to use your common sense to what you do with the items before and after or to why the purchaser may want more than a few of the item. Set your limits and control you sale to avoid certain problems then, but in the end it's up to you.

AZ, did he really try to sell it to you direct? It sounds like you stumbled upon it on ebay, rather than having Nik market it to you. But who knows...

This is unbelievable....It was never my intention to offend anyone and I had no idea that buying something that is offered up to everyone and reselling to help support my own habit is a bad thing. Apparently, since Warwagon took a hit at the end of the overall transaction, that is my fault too. I have bought and sold stuff my whole life - it's something I do.

Arizona - number 1 - you posted this orginally and now you are attacking me? You bet I could have bought a case for $500 and would of sold it to you for $1000.00 - now all of sudden that makes me a bad person? After you PM'd me a dozen times deperately seeking a case? The clip I offered you was jokingly during a chat - you knew where they came from and how much I paid and that I was joking - now you have jumped on a lynch mob to use that against me - not cool. I'm the only one that has defended you since you started here.

Number 2. If you buy something from me, or anyone else - it's irrelevant what I paid. Do you know what the seller on ebay paid for whatever you buy? NO.

If I buy something for $5.00 bucks - and offer it to another for $100.00, or a friend for $50.00, and it retails for $230.00 - either way everyone get's a good deal. What I paid is irrelevant. People buy things for what they think their profit margin will be - they and the demand determines that. Do you guys really need this explained?

Am I the only one on this site that sells on ebay? I cannot believe how much this is blown out. Does noone here understand free enterprise?

As far as Warwagon goes - I am sorry he did not get what he wanted out of his deal. I understood that he wanted to move all 36 of them as fast as he could. Did I, or anyone else know what his issues were when we purchased? No. But did he sell them on ebay for more than he paid? Yes. Did I know what he paid for them when I bought mine? NO.

However - As I mentioned before, I am absolutely dumbfounded by the way this has blown up - about something everyone does - and I had no idea I was taking advantage of anyone. He sounded as if he wanted to move them quickly - and I thought I was actually helping him.

If these sell in this Auction - I will Paypal Warwagon all of the profit....so that I am not making money on his dime...and he doesn't feel taken advantake of.

If they don't, then I suppose I will have 3 money clips, even though I don't carry enough cash for 1.

I am guessing that, short of writing an apology in his own blood, there isnt much else Nik can do to put things straight.

Man this is getting a little bit carried away.

Can anyone else think of something more constructive to do with our time????

this thread is over(LOCK IT UP AFTER THIS)..i just dont like that he said that he was giving me a great deal on the case because i was an oakley reviewer. he expects to get great deals from other people(i.e. the wallets) but doesn't expect to give others good deals(i.e. the display case) which he had no ownership rights on.

that is enough...this is over. this was overblown and i hope will not be talked about again. nik is a good person.

yeah enough