Geez....what friggin...sorry - fookin' dipstick put a $30 dollar money clip that he payed $25 for on ebay for $60 bucks????

Whatta Maroonnnn....


Yeah - c'mon guy's - hook a brother up - I got eyes to cover...

So Nik is that your Auction??

the Location and the e-mail address makes me think so!

I know if I hooked someone on a forum up only to have them turn around and try and make money off of it, that would be the last thing they ever bought from me.

did you buy this from nik and he is selling it?

CHAZ, I think you messed that up. I'm pretty sure the contention is that Nik bought it from a sale on the forum, and is now trying to sell it on ebay for more than he paid.

Yes, It's mine, yes I bought them from someone on the Forum, yes I have them on ebay for more than I paid, yes they were offered to everyone here at the same price I paid for them and yes, I bought them with the intention of putting them on ebay like most of the other 36 were probably used for....

None of that is a secret, which is why I put what I put on Ariz's original post here....

cool...at least we appreciate the honesty

Not cool.

Whats not cool about it? He bought it and then sold it for more than cost price. What do you think happened when you bought all your worldly possessions? Someone spent the time and energy to make them available out of the kindness of their heart?

Last I looked those money clips were a sale done by a member on behalf of a friend. Do you think he sold them at cost price because he didnt have anything better to do with his time or was he looking to make a buck?

I could understand pissy comments being made if one member cut another a good deal because it would be "staying in the family" as it were but I fail to see the problem here. I think there is a fine line between devotion to O and plain snobbery. You decide!

Anyhoo. Sorry folks, rant over.

See the following thread:

http://www.o-review.com/forum_detail.asp?ID=2034

Nik is making it possible for people that he doesn't know to buy his new Oakley's for him plus OTT's right, they were sold, via this site, by a retailer lookin to get rid of some stock. It's not nik's fault that the retailer didn't put them on ebay himself. It's called enterprise. Rock on Nik!

On the flipside though, like I said above, if its a case of a straight sale to an unknown then cash in but if a member does you a favour on pricing only to see you try and cash in I think that would be wrong.

Not the case here as far as I can see so good luck Nik.

Certainly. If a fellow member gives you a good deal because you're a member then turning around a profiting from it would be unethical. Eddy GAVE my those shoes so those will definitely never leave my possesion! You gotta keep the love for the O-family.

I agree with you OTT - if someone get's a good deal on something under the pretense of friendship with the intention of making a buck - that is dishonest....

But if someone offers anyone interested something at a preset price in any quantity desired - that is capitalizing on an opportunity....quite a different matter altogether.

In fact - if this has offended Warwagon in any way - or he feels the I have done something under false pretense - I will gladly remove the clips from Ebay post haste.

Thats why I started the "What is your standpoint on selling" thread. It was clear some people were getting upset about it and, although I feel one way about it, it might be best if we can reach a consensus as a group.

It might be good to have two different transactions on the O-review.

Straight transactions where it doesnt matter what happens after it has taken place.

Internal transactions where a member is doing another member a favour and may find it distasteful if the recipient uses the generosity of a member to make a swift buck

I think the idea is good but I think that is already taking place. I have personally, and privately, bought and sold multiple things to and from fellow members. What transpires between two members on this site is no one elses business - unless one or both parties deem it appropriate.

I think if you would have read all the threads related to what transpired in relation to the clips - this would have not been an issue for you...

Just using this as an example. At the end of the day, do what you like.

Just thought my suggestion might prevent any confusion or ill feeling in future transactions. I agree with you, others dont. If you want to tell me to keep my nose out then be my guest. Like you said it doesnt concern me/isnt a matter for me. I am just a member here like everyone else.

Naahh - it's cool man. I'm amazed sometimes what gets peoples feathers ruffled....but everyone is absolutely entitled to their own opinion - let's just call it done and move on.

Peace!

sounds like a plan everyone has an opinion except War Wagon and he doesnt seem bothered by it or he would sound in.

In my book, nothing horribly wrong with what Nik has done. Personally, my intention is to use the money clip, not buy a lot to resell.

I think one of the issues here is that what we are all so fanatically enthralled with here is a commodity (sp?). We salivate over a commercial product. Something that at the root of it all is purchased and treasured ... so a financial transaction of some sort comes with the Love of O territory. So be it.

The main issue here is that Mike took a bit of a hit on the shipping side which came out of his pocket on every pair he sold to a member even though the source of the clips was from another reseller. He did this to help out our collections from one fan to another, so reselling them on ebay for profit is sort of doing so on his dime.

Well I thought it's time to have my say:

When I listed the money clips here I was doing so, to provide a product at a very good price. The clips were acquired from a very good friend who also happens to own a golf shop. He had 36 of the clips that were due to be returned to Oakley. But for some reason it was not happening - Shipping dramas. So I offered to sell them on ebay for him. He stated that he needed to get at least $25AU for the clips, I said with the possible ebay listng & paypal fees we should at least ask for $30AU. He was happy with that so we went ahead. ( he just wanted to cover his costs ) Since I was given free rein I was able to offer those clips here for the lowest price, roughly $25US,(+ shipping which was more than requested) and thats what I did.
My main intention was to list all on ebay for $45AU BIN (about $35US) but wanted to give members a good offer while it was available. 7 members took up the offer and I was very happy to oblige. The remainder were listed on ebay and all sold BIN for $45AU. Needless to say my friend has been very happy, all are sold, all fees covered and a little extra to boot.

What did I get out of this deal, well... other than 1 clip for myself NOTHING. He was a friend and I did this for him because of that. It wasn't till I gave him the funds did he say don't worry about paying for yours.

Which brings me to Nik.
Nik I sold those clips to you for a very good deal I thought! I did it becasue you were a member here, and under the impression that they were for your personal use only, or your collection. I guess i was wrong.
What somebody does with the property they have bought from somebody else is there business and choice. I and anyone else can't really have a say in that choice.
I could have quite easily sold those 2 clips for more on ebay, but I wanted to make sure some "friends" were also able to benefit from this offer.

Overall I think I was taken advantage of in this case!
And it now leaves me with a very sour taste, and unsure if I'll ever offer anything again in the For Sale section. My friend was very happy with the results of the money clip sales and was preparred to offer me more of his slower selling stock to put on ebay. well possibly thats where it will go first now.

I feel the "for sale" section here is for the benefit of members, by giving good deals to each other. It should not be used as a wholesale area for your ebay stock!

Exactly how I would feel, no one can fault you for that.

I agree with you Mike, 100%