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fin7
Bryan Fin7
May 7, 2008 5:07 PM
I think less of you for it.
Though poking and prodding the idiot seems like a lot of fun.
He engages, what more could you ask.. I want in.
Please don't think less of me for it
DrChop
www.drchop shop.com
May 7, 2008 6:48 PM
let's all play with him. I think he is living in some fantasy island world (hence the Tattoo and Mr. Rourke crack at him), and he will one day come to terms. What I propose is this: We all buil 1 cent auctions to run overlapping listing Brown Juliets, Ichiro Juliets, etc. andmake them informational auctions to expose the truth. Show the item numbers of his purchases vs. the sales, the lens swaps, the Keystone NOT AUTHENTIC lenses, and just go for the jugular. Oh, and post USPS ACTUAL shipping and insurance rates to expose his scalping there. I mean really, lenses are $8 usd to ship first class? I did the math as noted above and they are $0.92 cents, and NO insurance is available. What a GIMP Monkey!!
oogie
paul mcj
May 7, 2008 8:14 PM
Someone needs to snag a stolen credit card, make the purchase and then screw him out of his products. At the very least ... Rick - give me your credit card information, I'll make the BIN and then you dispute the charge! Make him lose out on the money and the product.
Harry in Poland
Harry .
May 7, 2008 8:21 PM
I've got a better idea. Wait until I get home!
Dann
Dann Thombs
May 7, 2008 9:26 PM
Gold, pure gold. No matter what's said, he'll remain stubborn as his mule of a wife, but it's a fun read.

What a carzy man.
DrChop
www.drchop shop.com
May 7, 2008 9:46 PM
his wife is a hermie...His master is Mr. Rourke, and he eats bananas. This we know HAHA!!
O-minous
Eshan W.
May 7, 2008 11:14 PM
Let me just qualify this first by saying that I in no way, shape or form support or condone the way this guy conducts business on eBay. That said, I don’t think it’s necessarily justified for us to make comments or pass judgment on his personal life or the sexuality of his spouse etc. I mean, and forgive the cliché here, aren’t we just being a bit childish and going down to his level etc.? I know it’s (mostly) meant in jest and is undeniably fun to read but I think it’s a tad demeaning to ourselves to resort to this sort of thing. Clearly, his language and literally skills are somewhat lacking and it’s a good bet most of the insults and subtle jabs fly way over his head anyway. Shouldn’t we as genuine fans of the brand and principled collectors maintain some moral high ground?

The sad truth is that while his methods are deceitful and his motives purely fueled by greed, he still has (and will probably continue to have) great success on eBay, thanx to hundreds and thousands of ignorant and gullible buyers with deep pockets. As tough as it may be for many of us to stomach, he’s technically not broken any laws (at least I assume this, since eBay hasn’t suspended his account). So the best we can do really, is to try and educate the populous of would-be buyers so that they don’t continue to keep his operation running strong.

It seems like there’s always a scalper or two that show up and causes a stir around here from time to time and ultimately after all the bitching and name calling is done, it usually comes down to the basic economics of supply and demand and what people (collectors and non-collectors alike) are willing to pay for the stuff they really want. Things like the DF Gascans come to mind. Though we may be appalled by what he’s doing, virtually all his customers appear to be pretty pleased and no one’s so much as hinted at being deceived or mis-led. Again, this is obviously due in large to their ignorance about the product, something which perhaps we can try collectively to rectify. But aside from that, why waste our time with personal insults by trying humiliate a guy who clearly has no conscience or make him feel guilty, as it clearly has zero effect other than perhaps, to cheapen ourselves in the process.

My 2c, pls don’t hate(too much)..
DrChop
www.drchop shop.com
May 7, 2008 11:17 PM
fooey on you!! this is way too fun, and yeah, he brings it on himself first. If we send a comment inquiring about the validity of his words and descriptions, and he then retaliates with hate and garbage, it's an open door for a razor sharp tongued fan to go theough and commence the slicing and dicing of him and any path we choose to walk...I hear your words, and in no way and flaming you or hating, you have always been a solid member..In this case, with this clown...SCREW HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Not literally of course.
Pander
Sander Peeters
May 7, 2008 11:37 PM
When you click on the like Marcel gave you're now redirected to another auction... Maybe he felt bad about what he did....
Thom
Thom M
May 8, 2008 12:02 AM
I have to agree with O-minious. He has a good feedback record. If people choose to pay his prices then so be it. It's up to the buyer to educate himself. And so far the only ones that are complaining about it are members of this site.

Also, all this does not make the membership of this site look too good. We are hassing someone who has done nothing to most of us. I have sold sever things to this guy and I have never had a problem. I have also paid more of some custom stuff from Hunkey Monkey and Total-O. It was my decision to pay the price. But I assure you I would not pay those prices again.

I am not supporting him, I could careless. I am more worried about making sure this site is considered respectful, as well as professional. It should not be use to abuse.
Thom
Thom M
May 8, 2008 12:06 AM
Damn that was aweful, Here it the edited version of my pervious post:

have to agree with O-minious. He has a good feedback record. If people choose to pay his prices then so be it. It's up to the buyer to educate himself. And so far the only ones that are complaining about it are members of this site.

Also, all this does not make the membership of this site look too good. We are HARRASSING someone who has done nothing to most of us. I have sold SEVERAL things to this guy and I have never had a problem. I have also paid more FOR some custom stuff from Hunkey Monkey and Total-O. It was my decision to pay the price. But I assure you I would not pay those prices again.

I am not supporting him, I could careless. I am more worried about making sure this site is considered respectful, as well as professional. It should not be use to abuse.
DrChop
www.drchop shop.com
May 8, 2008 1:05 AM
I agree to a certain point, but, here is the thought of the day...In life there are rules, and there are exceptions to the rules. Golden rule, do unto others as you wish done unto you...BMCAPS has bought from me in the past, plagerized my auction terms, words, and description, and therefore lied, stolen, and cheated, and now is the EXCEPTION TO THE RULE...Have a nice day!
Dann
Dann Thombs
May 8, 2008 2:00 AM
While we may be stooping to his level, it falls on deaf ears and he still laughs all the way to the bank.

As for not doing anything to us, well I think he certainly has, along with every other scalper and speculator who's ruined a perfectly good hobby. Like Rick said, one or two of us would now be the owner of a Brown Juliet for a nice price, but he has all the time in the world to browse looking for deals, while the rest of us have to spend time making an honest living. It seems whenever a hobby matures, tons of people jump into the ring who could care less than flipping for quick profits. Honestly doesn't make much sense to me, since I make more an hour doing some side work, than I would searching for a deal (in most cases ignoring the auction in question) and then waiting for it to resell. Additionally the amount the prices go up due to the speculators makes a annoying dent into the pairs I end up wanting. Basically spending the time to make let's say $100 profit (which actually hard to do) wouldn't mean much in the end, but paying $100 more on an item that I would have normally gotten for less is a far worse hit. In the end no one wins, and most of the time items just jump from speculator to scalper, while the person who actually knows the history and has a collection goes without.

So it's not right, and maybe the comments about his family aren't nice, but he's contributing towards making the hobby a more miserable and expensive.
Rick
Rick (The Doctor) Fawcett
May 8, 2008 2:26 AM
He called my Oakley mug stupid! No one calls my Oakley mug stupid. I look forward to what Harry in Poland has cooking.
The2ndSaint
Michael Blayney
May 8, 2008 2:33 AM
Let's be realistic: Who is actually going to pay *that* much for a Brown Juliet? Most folks see it as an ugly colorway, therefore they won't buy it. Hardcore fans who know its worth mostly would know he's a piece of shit and won't buy it. Everyone wins.

Besides, if you truly want to get "even" with him, report all his auctions involving Keystone lenses as fraudulent because he's lying about the authenticity. Also, he overcharges on shipping; isn't that a no-no? If enough people report it he might at least get a talkin'-to. :p
Bhaley2four
Brent Haley
May 8, 2008 2:40 AM
My god, I go the the Cubs game today and miss out on all this!! I can't wait to see what Harry has up his sleeve. I am gonna get some popcorn ready!
DrChop
www.drchop shop.com
May 8, 2008 2:48 AM
as far as his keystone thing goes, I have forwarded him to Oakley legal even though they think I am the bad guy. Ebay is a whole other BS scam like him. As long as they get paid, they don't care at all. I have reported every single one of his auctions for weeks about the BS shipping that was supposed to be a "KEY" topic and a hot issue with them as of mid last year, yet he continues to sell over and over...If we all do it enough, they may react, but you have to use this link, not the regular one at the bottom.

http://ebay-us.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ebay_us.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=Wp5Y5H1j&p_eb_segment=&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xODksMTg5JnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**
oogie
paul mcj
May 8, 2008 3:17 AM
Sadly, with 6.7Billion people in this world, and at least a handful of those having some level of discretionary income, and at least a handful of those having some interest in Oakley eyewear, and at least a handful of those being a complete idiot - someone is bound to buy bmcaps crap.

"I just need one" must be his motto.
Rick
Rick (The Doctor) Fawcett
May 8, 2008 3:30 AM
I wonder, since eBay is obviously his primary source of income, if he pays tax on his profits. Tax evasion is a bit of a no-no in the States, isn't it?

I could actually care less who these idiots are who buy his crap, I'm more concerned with him making everything Oakley he touches look like complete shit. It ain't good.
fin7
Bryan Fin7
May 8, 2008 4:44 AM
Taxes maybe the key.
I was thinking what the acrostic for BMCAPS would be..
Buy My Customs. Amazingly Priced Sunglasses
DrChop
www.drchop shop.com
May 8, 2008 6:37 AM
if they nabbed Capone and Wesley Snipes, why not this douche bag?? IRS it is
Oak
Twenty Fifty
May 8, 2008 7:03 AM
Let's be realistic: Who is actually going to pay *that* much for a Brown Juliet? Most folks see it as an ugly colorway, therefore they won't buy it.
Somebody actually did buy one a month or so back for $1,750. I suspect that's where BMCaps pulled his price from.

Most folks haven't seen the colorway in person, either. It's actually pretty cool and the most unique Juliet in person. It's just not as photogenic as the other colourways.
The2ndSaint
Michael Blayney
May 8, 2008 7:15 AM
Ah, my mistake.

OK, personally, I would never spend more than regular Juliet prices for that... thing.
Oak
Twenty Fifty
May 8, 2008 7:28 AM
have to agree with O-minious. He has a good feedback record. If people choose to pay his prices then so be it. It's up to the buyer to educate himself. And so far the only ones that are complaining about it are members of this site.

Also, all this does not make the membership of this site look too good. We are HARRASSING someone who has done nothing to most of us. I have sold SEVERAL things to this guy and I have never had a problem. I have also paid more FOR some custom stuff from Hunkey Monkey and Total-O. It was my decision to pay the price. But I assure you I would not pay those prices again.

I am not supporting him, I could careless. I am more worried about making sure this site is considered respectful, as well as professional. It should not be use to abuse.
To go further with what some have already said......you have to understand that most of us have built our collections based on the generosity of fellow collectors. We, in turn, would be as generous to others as others have been to us simiply to keep items "in the family". I know of many members who have sacrificed a nice healthy profit and sold rare items at cost just to help a fellow member out. A scalper like BMCaps isn't appreciated in an environment such as that, obviously.

You say you want to keep this site respectful and professional. That's commendable. I think the majority of us also want to keep it as a collecting community where we can help each other rather than being gouged to death left and right. There have been several high-profile members who've done that in the past, and I'm certainly glad they no longer come here.

I know I wouldn't want our collecting community to be overrun by scalpers such that the only people who get the good stuff are speculators. Do you?
O-minous
Eshan W.
May 8, 2008 8:13 AM
I think the majority of us also want to keep it as a collecting community where we can help each other rather than being gouged to death left and right. There have been several high-profile members who've done that in the past, and I'm certainly glad they no longer come here.
Absolutely! Which is why, the more dignified and professional we are in our approach, the more effective the outcome of any action we do eventually take(active or passive) would be. We need to stay focused on the real issues and the ways in which this guy knowingly breaks or bends the law if we are to successfully shut him down or at the very least cause him to change his M.O.

Resorting to petty insults and abuse only opens the door for him for a counter-claim(of harassment etc.) and only gives him ammunition to use in his defense. He’s a menace to all decent collectors and this community. The O-world would certainly be a better place without his presence, that’s for sure but let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot before we can actually do something tangible about it.

I too am curious to see what you have planned Harry, though for your sake I hope it’s strictly above board and won’t come back to bite you or any of us later. It really would be a bigger tragedy if this whole mess escalates and threatens the survival of this site, God forbid.
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