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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 1, 2016 3:44 AM
Thanks for sharing that info Del518, I'm going to try the Strava App on my next run, along with Radar Pace, and see if I get similar behaviors as you are. Which HR Monitor strap are you using, and is it dual pairing with the Strava App & Pace?
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Dean
Dec 1, 2016 11:50 AM
I use the Wahoo Tickr HR monitor....and yes it is dual pairing with Strava and Radar Pace.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 1, 2016 5:51 PM
Update on the Stages Cycling Power Meter/Cadence Sensor (combined unit) constant disconnecting/reconnecting with Radar Pace:

My Message:
I am continuing to have disconnect issues with the Power/Cadence ANT+ sensor on my Stages Cycling Power Meter; Garmin ANT+ sensors are working fine. I can see the Power/Cadence data drop out on the Pace App, and I do not see the data dropping out when I review the ride data on Garmin Connect.

Information Received:
We learned that ANT+ signal drops out frequently on most sensors (we inadvertently learned that most sensors aren't very good!) The major head devices/computers use a smoothing algorithm to cancel out the drops, but Radar needs the signal every second. Stages broadcasts both an ANT+ signal and a BLE signal. Pair with the Stages BLE signal for best performance.

My Response:
This is great information! I did have my Stages paired via ANT+, and I just paired it with the BLE signal instead. I thought ANT+ was stable, but that smoothing algorithm in the cycling computer makes perfect sense... I would not doubt that is what my Garmin Edge is doing. My Garmin ANT+ sensors seem to be solid, but I have heard of other off-brand ANT+ sensors not being on the quality level of the Garmin; I didn't think it would be the case for Stages... I will get a ride in (hopefully today) and see how it goes with the BLE connection for Power/Cadence. Thanks again for taking the time to share this info!

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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 2, 2016 7:24 PM
Resolution/Solution on the Stages Cycling Power Meter/Cadence Sensor (combined unit) constant disconnecting/reconnecting with Radar Pace:

Oakley Radar Pace Pro Tip: When pairing a Stages Cycling Power Meter with Radar Pace, use the BLE (Bluetooth LE), instead of the ANT+.

The ANT+ signal drops out frequently (and in this situation, very frequently) on certain sensors. Most cycling computers make up for this with use of a smoothing algorithm to cancel the drops; Radar Pace requires a steady signal from the sensors. Since my Stages Cycling broadcasts both BLE and ANT+, pairing with the BLE signal provided a stable signal for Radar Pace.

I tested this out last night on a 37mi ride and experienced ZERO data signal drops while I was riding; the only 2 times it dropped signal was when I was stopped at a traffic light for over 2 minutes, which makes complete sense.

The issue with the ANT+ signal dropping in/out was extremely frustrating, and it speaks volumes into making sure your sensors that choose to pair with Radar Pace are of good quality, and have BLE options in addition to ANT+.

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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 2, 2016 7:28 PM
Bluetooth pairing of Radar Pace w/ Stages Cycling Power Meter/Cadence Sensor (combined unit):

Screen shots of pairing Radar Pace with a Stages Cycling Power Meter/Cadence sensor (combo unit) via the BLE (Bluetooth LE) connection; which is stable, unlike the ANT+ connection.

The BLE has the Bluetooth symbol to identify it, and also has the MAC Address (hexadecimal numbers) underneath the name.

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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 2, 2016 7:33 PM
Observation - Stages Cycling Power Meter Calibration w/ Radar Pace via BLE Connection:

I am noticing a possible issue with Calibration on my Stages Cycling Power Meter when paired with Radar Pace via BLE (Bluetooth LE).

If paired with Radar Pace via ANT+, the left images, I can Calibrate and received the Zero Offset value of 878.

When I Calibrate from my Garmin Edge 510, the center images, I receive the same calibration of 878.

When Radar Pace is paired via BLE, the right images, I Calibrate and receive a Zero Offset of 0.

I'm not an expert with Power Meters, but I do believe it should be calibrating to 878 (or very close to), like my Garmin does and Radar Pace does via ANT+; I'll have to get in some more rides to compare the data from Radar Pace to data from the Garmin.


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Dean
Dec 3, 2016 8:41 PM
Radar Pace crapped out me twice this morning during a 7 mile run. After the second time I didn't bother trying to reconnect. It stopped at less than 2 miles into my run.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 4, 2016 3:25 AM
Radar Pace crapped out me twice this morning during a 7 mile run. After the second time I didn't bother trying to reconnect. It stopped at less than 2 miles into my run. - Del518

That's on par with what I've experienced running with Radar Pace.

Radar Pace was doing good for me this morning up until 2hrs 10min into my ride. I noticed it not reconnecting and decided to not "End Workout" and see if it would reconnect... and it didn't. App crashed, rebooted both Radar Pace and my iPhone; after the reboot, the App showed the workout and asked if I wanted to Save it, but it wouldn't allow me to... rather it just crashed the App, and after 5 attempts, I just deleted the workout.

This iPhone iOS 10.2 update can't come soon enough. I just hope it truly resolves the Bluetooth issues.
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Defender
Dec 5, 2016 3:12 PM
Have you tried the 10.2 iOS beta to see if that irons out the issues?
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 5, 2016 9:22 PM
Have you tried the 10.2 iOS beta to see if that irons out the issues? - Defenderoftheo


I haven't signed up for their Public Beta Software Program; looks like the 10.2 update will be released this month. Staying hopeful this resolves the issues.
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Dean
Dec 5, 2016 9:46 PM
I am contemplating just returning mine and waiting for all the issues to be worked out. I just brought them downstairs this morning to box them up and get them ready for the return.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 13, 2016 7:17 AM
iOS 10.2 ...I hope this resolves the Bluetooth connectivity issues.

Dann
Dann Thombs
Dec 13, 2016 2:00 PM
Emojis are apparently more important.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 13, 2016 2:36 PM
All hell was about to break loose if they hadn't included those new emojis in this update.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 16, 2016 3:34 AM
First ride with Oakley Radar Pace after iOS 10.2 update. So far so good; no Bluetooth disconnects during the entire ride and I was finally able to say, "Ok Radar, Stop Workout."

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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 17, 2016 4:06 AM
2 for 2 success with Oakley Radar Pace after iOS 10.2 update. Another 30mi/90min ride with zero Bluetooth disconnects.
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Chris Hoiberg
Dec 17, 2016 4:08 PM
55mi / 2hr 45min - ZERO Bluetooth disconnects; the longest ride I have done with Oakley Radar Pace so far without a disconnect. This makes 3 for 3 success after iOS 10.2 update. I have am noticing a couple odd things happening with the App, which I believe are minor issues that could easily be resolved or improved upon in future updates; I'll get those posted later today.

Del518
Dean
Dec 17, 2016 6:44 PM
I returned mine last week! Glad to see that they have worked out the disconnect issues. I'll wait a little bit before I repurchase.
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Chris Hoiberg
Jan 13, 2017 4:54 PM
Had this issue with Oakley Radar Pace and the lose of connectivity with external sensors come up again...
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Last night the Power & Cadence sensors (which are both in my Stages Cycling Power Meter, connected to Radar Pace via BLE), did not reconnect. And while you are in the middle of a ride, you cannot manually force Radar Pace to reconnect to the sensors; you would have to stop the workout, and then reconnect the sensors before starting a new ride. I was in a Training Ride, and my goal set by Radar Pace was 49.5mi; if I would have stopped the ride, I would not have completed the required training Radar Pace scheduled. The last time this happened was during a long ride, after 40mi. On the left image, you can see where the Blue (Cadence) & Yellow (Power) data lines go flat after I start riding again; the Green (Speed) data line shows when I'm moving again. On the right image, you can see at the bottom where it shows the Cadence & Power sensor icons are not active, meaning they are not connected. You can tap on them in the App, but it just shows you the connectivity status.
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During a ride when you stop at a traffic light/stop sign or are waiting for traffic to clear, Radar Pace will auto-pause the workout; normally these pauses are short, and Radar Pace does not loose connectivity with the sensors. However, when the workout is paused for longer period of time, Radar Pace will lose connection with sensors (usually the Speed, Cadence, Power sensors) since they are no longer transmitting data. Radar Pace continues to log data from the Heart Rate sensor as its continually transmitting data (even when Radar Pace has the workout paused). Upon resuming movement, Radar Pace will auto-unpause the workout and once the sensors start transmitting data again, Radar Pace will reconnect with the sensors and start logging data again.
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I believe this is a minor issue that could possibly be fixed with an App enhancement that allows for manual reconnection to the external sensors.
Patient_Cero
T C
Jan 14, 2017 8:03 AM
Thanks for providing all this feedback.
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Chris Hoiberg
Jan 14, 2017 9:08 PM
Thanks for providing all this feedback. - Patient_Cero

You're welcome.
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Chris Hoiberg
Jan 24, 2017 11:44 PM
Another minor issue I continue to have with Radar Pace is the Power Meter Calibration... this is only an issue when connected to my Stages Cycling Power Meter via the BLE (Bluetooth LE) connection; it calibrates properly via the ANT+ connection, but as I've tested that ANT+ connection causes data drop outs to Radar Pace so it's not an option.
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On the right is my Garmin Edge 510, and the Power Meter Calibration after I perform the calibration. Radar Pace should calibrate to the same exact number +1/-1. I continue to receive an Offset Value of "0" when I perform the calibration before my ride.
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I'm unsure if this is impacting the Power Data that Radar Pace logs to my rides, which the Coach uses to understand my effort/rides. From my understanding of the calibration, it is important to perform for accurate Power Data.
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Chris Hoiberg
Jan 31, 2017 1:53 AM

Learned something new today night about Oakley Radar Pace ...you can charge them while using them.
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I forgot to charge them after my ride on Saturday. When I turned them on, they were at 20%... this would last ~30min at best. Wired my Mophie JuicePack under my jersey, connected them to USB port on the side that I don't use the earpiece, and started charging... by the end of my ride Radar Pace was charged 100% and the Mophie still had plenty of juice left.
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This solves the problem I was about to run into on my long rides of +70mi/+4hrs, which Radar Pace has lined up in my future Training Program rides.

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Chris Hoiberg
Jan 31, 2017 2:26 AM
Not sure what's causing this frequent issue ...it's not a deal breaker with the functionality of Oakley Radar Pace, it's just an annoyance that happens more often than not when I share my training ride to Facebook. The Radar Pace App either shares the #OakleyRadarPaceTraining with the Ride map, or without the ride map.
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Chris Hoiberg
Mar 21, 2017 12:21 AM
March Radar Pace Update... only an update for the App (No Firmware Update). Straight forward and nothing special... unless you've been charging Radar Pace without the supplied cable.


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