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okay, i'm predicting QF and Race;

QF
1-raikkonen
2-hamilton
3-alonso

RACE
1-hamilton
2-alonso
3-raikkonen

Pos. Rijder Team Banden Tijd
1 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:19.997
2 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:20.099
3 F. Alonso McLaren 1:20.147
4 F. Massa Ferrari 1:20.265
5 R. Kubica BMW 1:20.401
6 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:20.516
7 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:20.721
8 G. Fisichella Renault 1:20.775
9 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:20.894
10 J. Trulli Toyota 1:21.240
11 M. Webber Red Bull 1:20.235
12 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:20.329
13 A. Wurz Williams 1:20.350
14 R. Barrichello Honda 1:20.364
15 S. Speed Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:20.515
16 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:20.823
17 N. Rosberg Williams 1:21.219
18 J. Button Honda 1:21.335
19 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:21.448
20 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:22.019
21 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:22.045
22 C. Albers Spyker F1 1:22.589

Hello:-)


Scott Speed USA&Vitantonio Liuzzi IT

Race:
1-raikkonen
2-hamilton
3-alonso

Silverstone - Sonntag

Montoya in Breakthrough NASCAR Win

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I'd say; wrong tires for that track...

F1 20.07.07


F1 21.07.07

mclaren escaped any penalty. yea! spot-on. the team didnt benefit nor use the ferrari docs so it makes sense.
no offense to ferrari fans

Yeah, it's ok to get confidential documents via questionible means. That's ok. It's ok to spy and steal if you don't use the info. Yeah, it's ok. NOT!!!!

Whether you are a Ferrari fan or not, Mclaren got away with it. They optained info they should not have had. It's wrong. I don't care what anyone says.

i say that because i read some stuff. in legal terms yes it is considered mclaren got the info coz coughlan was a high senior staff. case in point, stepney is also considered high senior staff in ferrari.
thus in legal terms it is assumed that stepney is the same as ferrari giving the docs themselves to mclaren (coughlan)
thus from what i read, in a legal standpoint, yes mclaren got the docs BUT was given by ferrari themselves. doesnt hold water to give out penalty if they didnt use it.

the issue bout mclaren knowing the ferrari car and telling the fia that particular issue with fia to 'limit' ferrari development of that side... well some said that extra feature on the bodywork is/was not within the fia bodywork regulations or whatever, = cheating. thus telling fia they cheated or wasnt following guidelines in certain aspects is not necessarily 'limiting' development to begin with.

nehow, most thought the docs that they (coughlan and stepney) held were in fact saved to be used at honda whom they approached.

so what do i think of all this?
i really dont care. i wanna see some action on the track. its been exciting so far and a helluva season.

just like i didnt cause too much ruckus when i thought the fia was unjustly punishing alonso for holding up massa last year. or how some tracks were resurfaced to suit ferrari bridgestone combo last year, or how the stewards killed the championship chances of my hero at the time montoya in indianopolis some years ago.
i still remember em, but i dont care too much after.
its a sport, period. i watch it for my enjoyment of the racing.
no offense to anyone.

They were convicted of violating the sporting code, and then did not get punished for it. Again, they got away with it.

yep as i said where i read, it is essentially the same as ferrari giving the docs to mclaren and telling the fia that mclaren has it.
yes by legal definition they had it and thus violated the sporting code coz they had it, and yes it is also considered that ferrari gave the docs themselves to mclaren. thats what i read.
i also read further it said its the same if say ferrari gave the same docs to honda or toyota and then went to tell the fia honda and toyota had possession of their docs. kinda entrapment.
thats legal definition for you.
another way is, u have a car. ur friend borrows your car without your permission and lends it to his new gf whom u never met or know. she runs a red light and got caught speeding with a speed trap camera.
should the ticket that comes later be paid by you or ur buddys gf whom u do not know? case in point, should u be responsible for her violations?
or to make it more viable, your car was stolen and the thief jumped all red lights etc.

in the end, mclaren said they did not know until ferrari notified them nor did they benefit from it.
the issue of the bodywork not following regulations. coughlan could have just 'told' dennis to look at that particular area.
as i understand it, industrial espionage is rampant and has been around awhile in f1. most common way is to use photographs and videos, just like ferrari wings flexes for less downforce in recent times.
they could have used photographs to make that deduction and assumption.

in any case, they got it covered so far to extricate themselves from penalty. guilty by association, and not knowingly (as they said).
so... uaaargghh... this has gotten on long enuff, see example scenario above and if the logic makes sense to you.
if i cant change ur mind, no amount of debate will change it.

lets just enjoy the sport eh?

If it was the Tour De France the team would have been removed.

it's under investigation again

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QF
1-raikkonen
2-hamilton
3-alonso

RACE
1-hamilton
2-alonso
3-raikkonen

qualification

Kwalificatie
Pos. Rijder Team Banden Tijd
1 F. Alonso McLaren 1:19.674
2 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:19.781
3 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:20.259
4 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:20.410
5 N. Rosberg Williams 1:20.632
6 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:20.714
7 R. Kubica BMW 1:20.876
8 G. Fisichella Renault 1:21.079
9 J. Trulli Toyota 1:21.206
10 M. Webber Red Bull 1:21.256
11 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:20.718
12 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:20.779
13 A. Wurz Williams 1:20.865
14 F. Massa Ferrari 1:21.021
15 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:21.127
16 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:21.993
17 J. Button Honda 1:21.737
18 R. Barrichello Honda 1:21.877
19 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:22.143
20 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:22.177
21 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:22.737
22 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:23.774

My Tipp Race???

Rennleitung, punishes Alonso for blockade 00:22 clock Fernando Alonso for its blockade action in the Qualifying to Hungary on starting point six was carried back - punishment also against McLaren Mercedes,,



RACE:
1-raikkonen
2-hamilton
3-heidfeld
alonso steps out of the bus of Bernie Ecclestone (Formel-1-Chef) BIG BOSS;-)

so many at one time, come into sweat ;-)

hamilton drove well in a boring race

Holy hell Peter! One of your best posts yet. Seeing those pics is making me Hungary

okay, i'm predicting QF and Race;

QF
1-raikkonen
2-hamilton
3-alonso

RACE
1-hamilton
2-alonso
3-raikkonen